Federal Bureau of Investigation
Counterterrorism Mike Maltbie, ITOS/RFU
From: Oklahoma City
Approved By: McDevitt, James Sigler
Case ID #: 199M-MP-60130 (Pending)
IT – Other;
Reference: 199M-MP-60130 Serial 3
08/23/2001, interviews were conducted at Airman Flight School (AFS),
To: Minneapolis From: Oklahoma City
Re: 199M-MP-60130, 08/24/2001
Telephone number (405) 329-1008, in an effort to obtain additional information on the background of Zacarias Moussaoui.
Jerry Carrol, President, AFS, first reviewed computer records and provided information concerning Moussaoui’s experience with the flight school. Moussaoui took his first experience with the flight school. Moussaoui took his first flight lessons on 02/26/2001 and terminated his lessons on 05/29/2001 without completing the program. Carrol was not familiar with Moussaoui and referred the investigating Agents to other employees at AFS who dealt personally with Moussaoui. Carrol did advise that Moussaoui paid two installment payments for the course. The enrollment fees totaled approximately $20,000 and Moussaoui paid a cash amount of $2,500 some time in February and then a second payment of $2,495 on 05/01/2001 which was written an a personal check which Carrol believes was from Arvest State bank, also known as Security National Bank. Carrol indicated that Moussaoui completed about 56 hours of training prior to quitting. Carrol indicated it appeared Moussaoui fell behind and was not happy with the training he was receiving from AFS. Carrol identified Shohaib Nazir as being the instructor assigned to Moussaoui. Carrol indicated that Moussaoui was a walk-in student, meaning he just walked in off the street and requested to take flight lessons. Carrol said this was highly unusual, especially for foreign students.
Shohaib Nazir was then interviewed and he advised that he recalls instructing a student named Zacarias Moussaoui. Nazir was provided a photograph of Moussaoui which was previously provided to Oklahoma City Division by Minneapolis Division and Nazir positively identified this individual as being the student he instructed named Moussaoui.
Moussaoui began his training in the spring of 2001.
He described Moussaoui as a fairly rational
individual but was extremely nosey, wanting to know every little detail
everyone and everything. Moussaoui told
Nazir he wanted to learn how to fly airplanes so he could go back to
recalled that Moussaoui had attended the mosque in
another instructor named Jeff Cochran also taught Moussaoui at AFS. Cochran is no longer at AFS and has moved to
Nazir said that the entire time he taught Moussaoui, no statements of a radical nature were ever made. Nazir only remembers Moussaoui being an extremely faithful Muslim and preaching to everyone. Moussaoui never expressed any desire to receive flight training as a means to conducting a terrorist act or any act of violence.
Moussaoui eventually started falling behind in his training and was not
catching on like the other students.
Moussaoui became frustrated and quit the training at AFS. Moussaoui told Nazir he was going to take
some time off and visit the
Keene, formerly Brenda Whitehead, Admissions Director for AFS, advised
dealt with Zacarias Moussaoui during the enrollment and application
process. She described Moussaoui as
being very detailed oriented, to the point of agitating her with too
questions. Moussaoui first began
corresponding with AFS via e-mail while he was overseas.
He used e-mail address “zuluman
during this process. His first contact
with AFS was on 09/29/2000. his first
one or two communications indicated he wanted to become an instructor
AFS. He also expressed an interest in
learning to fly for commercial purposes.
Dale Davis, AFS Director of Operations, was also interviewed but was unable to provide any information concerning Zacarias Moussaoui.
08/23/2001, Hussien Al-Attas was interviewed at his residence, 209A
indicated he first met Moussaoui some time in July 2001 when Moussaoui
the mosque in
Al-Attas was cautioned about withholding any information about Moussaoui or being involved himself with Moussaoui and Al-Attas advised he was holding back no information. He indicated he barely knew Moussaoui and did not even know his real name until they both were arrested. Al-Attas is extremely embarrassed about being arrested by INS and has not told his family.
advised he will complete his degree in Math at OU in one year and just
graduate and then go back to
described Ndiaye as a 40 year old man from
City Division notes that Drivers license checks were conducted on all
forms of spelling for Ndiaye and there is no record of him ever
vehicle. Ndiaye resides at
Al-Attas was arrested by INS in