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The
Trial of Bernhard Goetz:
Testimony of Loren Michaels
![]() Direct Examination by Gregory Waples: Waples:
Were you, Loren Michael’s,
frightened by any of their behavior? Slotnick:
Objection.... [sidebar discussion:] Justice
Crane: ....It's a subjective state
of mind that wouldn't
necessarily
be probative of
Bernhard Goetz's reaction
when they allegedly surrounded
him. [Also] it
doesn't relate in
time to when the shots were fired and to
the
reasonableness of the situation as it was presented at that
moment.
It relates to a time prior
to that when these witnesses
were
removed geographically from the kids. Waples:
I think it bears upon
the question of how a reasonable person perceives circumstances. Justice
Crane: How do we know this individual and Mr. Flores are reasonable
persons rather than frightened individuals that. . .
exceed
the bounds of what a reasonable person would be? Waples:
The jury does not
have to accept their assessment of whether there was real danger, but
they can consider whether an individual who they know something
about, because that person has appeared as a witness, did or did not
react in a
fearful way to a set of circumstances. Justice
Crane: I have difficulties
with it. I understand that you're
both approaching it from certain strategic standpoints....It does open
up for Mr. Slotnick an avenue with other witnesses to state
that they were afraid. I implore you to think
about it. Waples:
I've thought
about it, Judge. Justice
Crane: Okay. [open court:] Michaels:
I was kind of just half.dozing...[The first shots] seemed to come from
outside the car....I tried to look down at that end of the car. Right
at that
moment, a woman to my right was holding a baby and started to get up,
so I
didn't have a clear view instantly. . .
.
She got
past me and I could see down the center of the car. . . .
I
saw
someone,
slumping
to the floor in a kind of fetal position near the bench
that was directly across from me. . . .
I
[saw]
someone who happened to be slumping in a seat ....
It's
a
little vague to me now. There were other people I thought were perhaps
part of
the group, and I saw a young man--l don't know, in his twenties or so, blond
hair-standing there.
And
I started at
the
same moment
to
move to
the front doors to get out of the car with my
friend
[Christopher Boucher]....[W]e could hear that
ambulances and police cars were rushing to the scene.
I
wanted
to see if they brought, you know, anyone out on stretchers or [in]
handcuffs,
but after a minute or two Christopher really seemed shaken up, so we
went
uptown and went to a bar and had a quick drink. Waples:
Did you feel
better? Michaels:
Yes. We then went Christmas shopping. Waples:
Did there come a time
when you spoke to police on December 22? Michaels:
Yeah. We still didn't
really understand what happened. It was just something crazy in the
subway, and
we actually bought a few things in SoHo. I saw a police car just
sitting by the curb somewhere and
thought just in case they were still looking for people, I could give
my name
and address, whatever. And when I explained to them we had been there,
they
asked if we could come downtown
and they took us in the police car. Waples:
Referring to you and
Mr. Boucher? Michaels:
Yes. Waples:
And were
you
interviewed by a detective later? Michaels:
Yes.
Cross-examination by Barry Slotnick: Slotnick:
But even at that
distance [forty feet from the shootings] you found [the youths] noisy
and rude? Michaels:
I
didn't
say
rude particularly... Slotnick:
And isn't
it
also a matter of fact that you were concerned about your friend
Christopher? In fact, you were nervous on his
behalf? Michaels:
Yes. Slotnick:
And isn't it also a
matter of fact that while you sat in the subway car, looking at that
group of
four, you tried to make sure that it wasn't going to be unpleasant for
your
friend Christopher in any
way? Michaels:
Well,
I assured
myself that it wasn't going to be any disturbance that would bother us. Slotnick:
Quite clearly you
understood that there might be a disturbance that would bother others.
Isn't
that correct? Michaels:
That's a possibility every
time you ride the subway, you know. Slotnick:
How about on this
occasion, Mr. Michaels? Michaels:
I
counted it as a
possibility.... Slotnick:
After
hearing
those four or five shots in rapid succession, things seemed to move
rather
slowly in terms of what was happening around you. Is that correct?' Michaels:
“Yeah,
people started moving, but nobody
seemed to get hysterical or anything.... |