Direct examination:
Q.
It has been suggested that you pled guilty
but you aren't really guilty of anything. . .
Do you agree with that?
A.
That I wasn't guilty?
Q.
Yes.
A.
No. I wish I could agree with it. But I was guilty....
A.
Exhibit A is a factual statement that provides... a factual basis for my plea of guilty.
Q.
And does that factual basis list out every lie or misleading statement that you made to investors
while you worked at Enron? A. No. Cross
examination:
Q.
Now, when you entered into this plea of guilty, had you been informed that there was a substantial amount
of incriminating evidence against
you?
A.
I
knew there - nobody
had to have the other evidence. I knew it myself.
Q.
Other than what you personally thought in your own mind, did someone show you any incriminating
e-mails that showed that you were
guilty?
A.
I
reviewed my conduct for many years after I left Enron as I was defending myself in the civil cases. Yes, I was guilty of aiding and abetting securities fraud....I didn't plead guilty to one statement on this conference call.
That's not petty or whatever you called it – thin?
BY MR. PETROCELLI: Thin.
A.
I
don't think
it's thin or I wouldn't have pled guilty to it. You have three Q and A items there-
A.
No. That's not-
Q.
-cited there. A. They're cited here, yes. I wished that was all I did.
Q.
So, back to my question, then. You're still in the mode of protecting yourself, aren't you?
A.
I don't
know what you mean by "protecting"
myself, but I don't
feel that in the last three days I've protected myself in any way.
Q.
What does it mean to say "the Department's
assessment of the value of your assistance and your cooperation"?
A.
The fullness. The – staying on the right track, not-not concentrating on little issues or avoiding the
questions. I would put that in the value
category.
Q.
Might it also include how helpful you were to the cause of the Government?
A.
No.
Q.
Are you sure of that?
A.
I'm sure of that, because I don't know that I
will, by all means and everything I say, help the Government....
Q.
And at the time you pled guilty, how old were your three children?
A.
Two of them. . .
THE COURT: Why don't we take about a ten-minute break?
THE WITNESS: I'm fine. I'm fine…
A.
No.
Q.
You have no fear at all?
A.
I'm past that....
Q.
I appreciate
that.
A.
And entering
into this guilty plea, it's not hard to tell them that. And I'm over the big fear. |