Q Your initials are R.R.?
A Yes sir.
Q Are you a practicing physician and surgeon at Scottsboro, Alabama?
A Yes
Q How long have you been practicing medicine and surgery there?
A Since 1914
Q Of what medical institute are you a graduate?
A Vanderbilt.
Q Do you know this laldy, Victoria Price?
A Yes sir.
Q Do you recall the day in March, 1931, it was said some negroes were taken off a train at Paint Rock and accused of raping Victoria Price?
A Yes sir.
Q Did you see Victoria Price that day?
A Yes sir.
Q Where did you see her the first time?
A At the jail.
Q At Scottsboro?
A Yes sir.
Q Did you make an examination of her person at that time?
A At my office.
Q Do you recall about what time of day that examination was made?
A It was in the late afternoon around four o'clock the best I remember.
Q Just state to the jury Doctor what her general condition was, whether there were any bruises or wounds or lacerations on her body?
A Well she came over to the office in overalls, and we had those removed and we found some scratches on the back part of her wrist.
Q Back of the wrist?
A Left wrist, yes sir, small scratches, and she had some blue places in the small of the back.
Q About where?
A Low down in the soft part, right about the top of the hops, three or four bruises that ranged, oh, about like a joint of your thumb, small as a pecan, and then on the shoulders, between the shoulders another place about the smae size, a blue place, and we put themm on the table and an examination there showed no lacerations.
Q You are speaking of Victoria Price?
A Yes sir.
MR. LIEBOWITZ: No lacerations?
A No sir, no lacerations; and the vaginal examination showed the male element microscopically, and we saw the fluid with they eye, that is the fluid the spermatozoa is carried in.
Q From where did you obtain that fluid?
A From the vagina.
Q From Victoria Price?
A Yes sir. We made a smear and transferred it to cover glasses annd examined it with a microscope, thespermatozoa is microscopic.
Q What is the spermatozoa?
A It is commonly called the male germ.
Q Did you find many germs?
A Yes, sir lots of them.
Q From your examination of the genital organs of the woman Victoria Price made on that occasion would you say that she had recently had sexual intercourse?
A Yes sir.
Q Could you tell about how long before from your examination?
A No sir, I couldn't tell in time of hours or minutes, I couldn't say.
Q The spermatozoa you examined under the microscope were they alive or dead?
A They were non-motile.
Q Does that necessarily mean they were dead?
A Well as a rule, yes.
Q They were non-motile when you observed them under the microscope?
A Yes sir.
Q You say there were no lacerations or torn places?
A Well there was a slight congestion of the vagina, but as a tear there wasn't any.
Q Slight congestion of the vagina?
A Yes sir.
Mr. Liebowitz: You say there were no lacerations?
A No tear, but a congestion of the vagina.
COURT: Explain what you mean by congestion?
A The mucosa of the vagina was redder than normal; the tissue are like those of your mouth, the same type, and the mucosa or tissue as you call it was red, redder than the normal.
Q I will ask you, based upon your examination, the condition of the vagina was in as you found it, whether or not that was evidence of recent sexual intercourse?
MR. LIEBOWITZ: We object, the Doctor said he couldn't say how recent it was.
MR. BAILEY: He said from an examination of the spermatozoa he couldn't say, but not from the organs.
COURT: Of course there is no question about him being a physician.
COURT: Can you tell by an examination of the condition of the mucosa of the vagina anything about the recentness of the intercourse?
A I couldn't swear to it other than it was congested.
COURT: You just know it was congested?
A Yes sir.
MR. LIEBOWITZ: You couldn't swear how recent it was?
From cross-examination by Mr. Liebowitz.
Q The tablespoon full or two tablespoons full you found there, you can't tell when that was planted in her?
A I couldn't say the exact time.
Q In other words she might have had intercourse one night and didn't clean herself and than have intercourse a few hours later then the second deposit would be added to the first deposit.
A Yes sir.
Q That is of no particular significance is it?
A This was a different vagina from the other.
Q Wasn't any significance as to the time?
A No sir.
Q Still in both cases, the young girl and Victoria Price the germ was dead apparently.
A Yes sir.
Q Which is likely to prove isn't it, which is more likely to prove that the intercourse had taken place some hours ago; some hours had elapsed, some appreciable period of time?
A No sir.
Q It wouldn't indicate the intercourse was recent, the fact it was non-motile?
A No sir.
Q In other words the best you can say about the whole case is that both of these women showed they had had intercourse.
A Yes sir.
Q With how many men or when it took place nobody can say?
A No.
Q No doctor can say?
A I think not, no sir.
COURT: Did you observe the respiration at the time, whether they were breathing fast of slow -- Excitement causes a quickening of the breath?
A Yes sir
COURT: Did you notice any unusual respiration?
A I don't think so, their pulse they were normal.
COURT: In other words so far as you noticed their pulse was normal?
A Practically normal, yes sir.
COURT: Any excitement or great strain would have a tendency to increase the pulse and res and respiration?
A Yes sir, very much at the time, but after a time it will be quiet.
Q Over what period, how long?
A Different people, different times.
COURT: Did you notice their pulse and respiration the next morning?
A Yes sir, they were crying and nervous and hysterical.
COURT: Their breathing was faster the next morning.
A Yes sir, it was faster.
COURT: And the pulse was?
A Yes sir.