Wagner: [The alienist testified that
Thaw was insane at the time of the shooting and acted out of a "sudden
said in his conversation with
me, that he had no idea of killing White up
to the very time he shot him. Thaw said his sole purpose had been to
evidence against White to send him to the penitentiary for his offenses
me, that 'White did not hesitate to use drugs or employ physical force
accomplish his evil purposes....Thaw constantly referred to White as
'this man, this creature, the beast, the blackguard,' and said the man
sought to pollute every pure minded woman who came within the sphere of
" I tried
to save them,' Mr. Thaw said
to us, and added, 'I did all in my power, I never wanted to shoot the
I never wanted to kill him. I knew he was a foul creature, destroying
mothers and daughters in
asked him why under
such circumstances he had shot Mr. White.
Delmas:"Did he tell you what he had done, if anything, to bring White into court?"
"I asked him why he carried a pistol, and he said that Roger 0'Mara, a Pittsburg detective, had advised him to do so after he had told 0’Mara that on several occasions thugs had jostled him in an attempt to get him into a street brawl. He said these things were the hired agents of Stanford White, who did not want to take the responsibility and danger of making it personal attack. He said White had hired the Monk Eastman gang to get him into a quarrel and beat or kick him to death."