Direct examination by Hon. Samuel S. Liebowitz
Q What is your first name?
A Dallas Ramsey
Q Now about two years ago this month -- you read the papers don't you?
A Yes sir
Q Do you remember reading the papers in Chattanooga about some trouble between some colored boys and white girls down around Scottsboro?
A Yes sir.
Q On that day you read about that in the afternoon papers or late evening papers of Chattanooga were you in the railroad yards of Chattanooga that morning?
A I was living right at the railroad, yes sir.
A Yes sir.
Q To the left of that is the tank, where the railroad tank is on the railroad?
A Yes sir.
Q This whole are in here (indicating) described by a light line here, what is that whole area know as?
A Called Hobo Jungle.
Q In the Hoboes Jungle where you have a cross with the letter L" who lives there, who lived there two years ago?
A They called him Lewis.
Q In a little shack in that Hobo Jungle?
A Yes sir.
A Yes sir.
A: Something like six o'clock in the morning.
COURT: Did you say you heard a something about that trouble on the train near Scottsboro?
A I read about it.
COURT: What time was that?
Q Was that the same day or next day, was it the same morning that you read about it that night in the Chattanooga papers?
A I seen them there that morning--
GENERAL KNIGHT: We object.
A I seen two girls there that morning, the next day that was the time I read about it or heard about it.
Q You read about it the next day in the paper that something had happened the afternoon before?
A Yes sir.
Q The day or afternoon of the account referred to you say you saw those girls about six o'clock in the morning in the jungles?
A Yes sir.
COURT: How many girls did you see
A Two
MR. LEIBOWITZ: Will you bring Victoria Price in.
GENERAL KNIGHT: We object, let him describe the girls.
COURT: Let her come in.
GENERAL KNIGHT: I don't mind her coming in, but I do think the jury should be able to test his accuracy, you see my cross examination on this is foreclosed--
MR. LEIBOWITZ: Your Honor please we will not only prove it by this witness, but will prove it by white witnesses.
GENERAL KNIGHT: We object.
COURT: Overrule the objection.
A She seems like the same girl -- it seems like she is a little heavier now that what she was then.
Q It is the same girl?
A Yes sir.
Q After you arrived at Lewis' house where did you go with Lewis?
GENERAL KNIGHT: We object to that.
COURT: Overrule that objection.
A We left his house and went down to his hog pen.
Q How far away from the house was the hog pen?
A Well about two hundred yards
A I left there then and come up on the Central of Georgia trestle.
Q Did you leave with Lewis?
A Yes sir.
Q Which way did you go with you left with Lewis?
A There is a path from the sick hog up on the Central Georgia trestle.
Q Please tell us what court or direction you went when you come up on the trestle?
A We were already down in the jungles.
Q Did you see anybody in the jungle?
A We seen two girls.
Q That was on of the girls you have identified here a little while ago?
A Yes sir.
A Yes sir.
Q Or words to that effect?
A Yes sir.
Q Did you reply to that or did Lewis reply?
A I replied.
Q Tell these gentlemen what you said to her
A I said it leaves somewhere around nine o'clock
Q What did she say then?
A She said w came up here hunting a job, and I told her, I said about a month ago I says I left by job over there at the Hosiery Mill, at the Champion Hosiery Mill, I bought a dray and I had to quit, and they are hiring knitters over there, and I says they practically put on some every day and it might be you could get a job over there, and she said I have been all around the town and couldn't find no job.
Q That as at six o'clock in the morning?
A Yes sir
Q Then what else was said?
A I told her, well--
Q Did she say to you her old man had just left her and gone hunting for food?
A Yes sir.
Q Did you ask her how she was going to get back to Huntsville and did she say she was going to hobo on a freight?
A Yes sir, she said she was going to hobo back.
Q Then did you say then and there, it is a pretty hard way for a woman to travel?
A Yes sir
Q Then what happened?
A She said we haven't got any money, and said my old man has gone uptown to look for some food.
Q Was there any more conversation between you and these girls?
A That was practically all believe of that conversation we had, and I then left and went on upon the railroad
A Yes sir.
Q Were they with somebody at that time?
A Yes sir.
Q Did you see a man with them?
A Yes sir.
Q Tell us about that?
A I seen a gentlemen with them at that time.
Q White man?
A White man.
Q Was he with them at the crossing?
A Yes sir.
Q What sort of white man was he, was he a dark man, dark haired?
COURT: Describe him?
Q As to the color of his hair, if you can remember.
A I don't know as I could, I really never noticed about his hair.
Q Tell us what you observed there when you saw these girls at the crossing of the two railroads, what happened?
A When the train run I seen them all catch the train there.
COURT: How many were there?
A How many girls?
COURT: Yes?
A Well I only seen two girls.
COURT: How many men?
A Oh, I seen a crowd of boys.
Q White and colored?
A Yes sir.
COURT: This man with the girls what became of him?
A He catched the train too.
From the Cross Examination by Attorney General Knight
Q Do you know Mr. Chamlee?
A Yes sir.
Q How long have you known him?
A Oh, I have been knowing Mr. Chamlee for the last I reckon twelve or fifteen years.
Q Who was the first on one talked to about this case?
A Well they haven't any one talked to me about the case, no more than until you might say Mr. Chamlee asked me sometime ago.
Q What did he say?
A He asked me did I see these girls, and I told him, yes, I see them.
Q You don't know how he knew you saw them?
A No sir, I don't know.
Q But when he asked you told him you did see them?
A Yes sir.
A He wasn't the first man, but he was the first man that was involved in the case that asked me anything, other people asked me about it.
Q How did they happen to ask you about it?
MR. LEIBOWITZ: I object
COURT: Overrule that objection.
A Mr. Chamlee I think probably had a talk with
Lewis; he came from Lewis' house over to my house.
A The following morning after that
Q You are sure that was the first time you read about it?
A Yes sir.
Q You are sure you read about it the next morning?
A Yes sir.
Q What paper did you read it in
A Chattanooga Times
Q Did you tell anybody you had seen these girls?
A Yes sir, told everybody around there I seen them and had talked with them over there.